Reports - Mornington Wanderers

Birky’s ride to Port Campbell

26/03/202518/04/2025

Ride leader: John Birkett. Tail End Charlie: Stephen Gray.

This is my second year of leading this annual event after ‘Rotten’ Ronnie Gray passed the baton last year.

The ride, as always, left from Sorrento wharf, where 12 members met me for the mandatory completion of the ride sheet, bit of chat, a lot of banter (started early this year) before boarding the 9am ferry. Chris, a guest of Neil’s, joined the group over the Queenscliff side.

I decided to change things up again this year and took a different route to previous years. Leaving Queenscliff around 9.50am, we made our way along the coast via Ocean Grove, Barwon Heads, Anglesea to Lorne where the group had a short leg stretch and toilet break.

After Lorne is where the fun level went up a gear.

We headed inland via Deans Marsh, Barwon Downs, Forrest, Skenes Creek stopping at the Apollo Bay Hotel for lunch. Absolutely fantastic roads, lots of twisties and, apart from the odd road works and caravans, the run so far had been great.

After lunch, some chose to fill up and then we were on our way again up through Lavers Hill (another great bit of roadway) and travelled along the Great Ocean Road, arriving mid afternoon at our destination, Port Campbell Caravan Park, on what turned out to be a stunning day for riding – ideal conditions.

After checking in, we headed to the camp kitchen opposite our rooms to continue what is a well-established tradition of whisky, beer and talking a lot of shite. It was during this session that Mark S was presented with a ‘Fishing for Floaters Poop Game’ acknowledging his part-time role as a lifeguard at the Rosebud Swimming Pool where some of the little patrons, from time to time, have little accidents that need to be fished out. I do believe he was honoured to be recognised which will, no doubt, aid him in practising his technique at the pool.

Refreshed, we all headed up the hill to the Port Campbell hotel (another tradition) for a hearty meal, lots of banter and a great night had by all with lots of laughs.

Thursday morning, after some had gone for their walks, we rose to a beautiful sunrise and headed up the hill again to a local café for a welcome coffee and wholesome breakfast, where the banter from the previous night continued. Muzz is well known as the sun god, but I have to be at least the sun god’s apprentice, as we were blessed with two great days of riding.

After breaky, we walked back down the hill, back in the saddles and we headed off around 9am (yes, Ronnie G – the sun was already up … just saying) along the coast. The return trip was all on the Great Ocean Road and the road through Lavers Hill, towards Apollo Bay, was just as good as yesterday.

We stopped for a leg stretch, fuel and toilet break in Apollo Bay but, as we were all full from breaky, no one felt like morning tea. So we moved on towards our next destination, Torquay Pub for lunch (seems to be a theme here). We did encounter what seemed to be an unusually high number of caravans and motor homes, especially mid-week, but these didn’t present any challenges to us – just held us up on occasions.

We said goodbye to Chris, Neil’s guest, at Torquay and headed to Queenscliff to catch the 3pm ferry home. At the terminal, we bode farewells and the banter continued to be hurled around onboard. Total distance 627km.

On a personal note, thanks for the support and attending the ride and a big thank you to Stephen Gray for his TEC duties.

Ride to Bendigo or ‘The tale of Two Ueys’

07/03/202518/04/2025

Mark for TEC on day 1. Thanks also to Birky for leading and Bob for TEC on day 2.

Five Wanderers met up for a 9.30am start on the morning of Friday, 7 March. It was a glorious, sunny day with a top temperature of 33 degrees forecast.

To make the trip interesting, we headed up Eastlink to Ringwood, then through North Warrandyte, Kangaroo Ground to St Andrews and up the Heidelberg-Kinglake Road to Kinglake for morning tea.

The Kinglake National Park is spectacular, but difficult to take in while riding on this goat track of a road, with plenty of traffic ahead of us and coming at us. Not sure why a truck would use this route, but one came towards us occupying a fair chunk of our side of the road – as a necessity. He was almost scraping the cutting on his left side.

From Kinglake, fun riding down through the hills to Whittlesea, where we took a sharp right to Wallan and stopped at Kilmore for lunch. McNamara’s Irish Pub was our chosen lunch spot. A great menu, a lovely old pub and friendly people. Spirits were high and the conversation was lively! Bob and I can vouch for the Guinness pie – delicious.

One of the group (you’ll never guess who) entertained us at lunch with a quotable quote. With his arms held out to each side, he said: “I’m a lateral thinker. I think sideways.” 😂

After lunch, for reasons unknown, I questioned the planned route, which had us going back the way we had come (briefly). It didn’t seem right to me, but it didn’t take more than a block or so in Kilmore while nervously checking the GPS to realise my mistake. So, we took a right turn arrow to perform the weekend’s first U-turn! – required.

Holy CAPOW Batman can we do a 'U' Turn in the Bat Cave??

From Kilmore, the roads flattened out a bit – across to Lancefield and onto the Calder Freeway, turning off at Malmsbury, to Elphinstone (nearly a U-turn there, but not quite), Chewton, Castlemaine, Maldon, Lockwood South and then into Bendigo. By this stage, the temperature had soared. We stopped for fuel at Golden Square, then onto our digs at the McIvor Motor Inn.

We spent some time recovering with pre-dinner drinks at the hotel. Those amongst us with ‘tatts’ had them out on display. Happy proudly declared that you can tell who the real bikie is by their koala tattoo!

An ex Nat Comm member, Perry, also had a room at our hotel and kindly offered us a lift to the dinner at the Tyson’s Reef Hotel. A good crowd there with what are now becoming familiar faces – Paul B (organiser), John H from the Grampians branch, Marlene and Stan K from the Geelong branch, Lyn Tout, Nat Comm Secretary and Melbourne branch member – along with Wanderers past members, Ali W, Chook and Mac D.

Ahh yes, the old social lubricant , say no more!

After dinner and social lubricant, Chook kindly drove us back to the hotel, where nightcaps followed (for some).
The next morning started off pretty warm. The venue for the breakfast was a shaded courtyard at Percy and Percy café, a stone’s throw from the pub the previous night. It’s great to see everyone gather and enjoy the moments together.
A delicious breakfast followed by an auction of a leather vest and belt, donated by Perry, the proceeds going to UCARF. One of the ladies, Jan, did a fabulous job as auctioneer.
Birky rallied our group so we could get home in reasonable time. He chose a route east out of Bendigo, past Lake Eppalock, to Redesdale, where we turned towards Lancefield and rode down the gorge to the Redesdale Bridge, a wrought iron truss bridge with a wooden board platform over the Campaspe River, built in 1868.

It would be remiss of me not to mention the 2nd U-turn of the weekend – performed between Bendigo and Redesdale. A few moments spent consulting the GPS – as is the usual practise. We all know the feeling, so enough said.
We turned onto the Burke and Wills Track for Lancefield. Along the way is a plane propeller monument which commemorates the first Australian to build and fly an aeroplane in 1910. From Lancefield to Kilmore for a short break, then on to Wandong and back along the same route we’d covered the day before. Great roads, very little traffic, a good mix of twisties and open road.
We said our goodbyes at the BP Service Centre at Caribbean Gardens, then headed home – hot but satisfied. Another great overnight ride, 523km in total. Thanks to Mark for TEC on day 1. Thanks also to Birky for leading and Bob for TEC on day 2.

Cheers, Val

2025 Go Kart Challenge

02/03/202518/04/2025

A group of expectant riders gathered at the Baxter 5-ways servo, drinking their coffees and speculating on the day ahead. The event? 2 x 10-minute sessions at the Stony Creek Go-kart track to determine the fastest in the group – the ultimate winner.

To say tactics were being discussed is an understatement; some ideas a little less sportsmanlike than others!

Pre-ride briefing done, the competitors mounted their bikes to head south. On our approach to the South Gippsland Highway, dark clouds had noticeably gathered. The forecast was for a chance of 1mm of rain. 1mm would have been OK – but we appeared to get our 1mm and several others as well. We managed to get to Poowong in the now very wet conditions. We pulled over and donned whatever wet weather gear we didn’t already have on.

We arrived at Korumburra to pick up Derek – by this stage, we were pretty late, so he’d taken off – and then continued on to Stony Creek. When we arrived at the track, conditions had eased. Phil, Trev and Derek were waiting for our arrival. We filed in and each of the 15 competitors registered and paid their fee. Then we waited for our race to start.

The first session: the track was still a little wet – in what could have been a precursor of the Formula 1 GP in Melbourne! Then the fun began. There were spin-outs, some push and shove and a bit of off-roading done. Not entirely shabby, but also some good speed for the front of the pack with a fastest lap of 57 seconds.

Round 2: this time, the competition was fierce. The track had dried considerably, and our expectation of getting quicker times was palpable. Our marshal told us that a 53-second lap was possible, so we were up for it. But, before you knew it, the race was over. We’d given it our all (if not, too late).

So, for the results. The winner: Derek with a time of 56.234 seconds. Second place: Les with a time of 57.764. Third: Muzz with a time of 58.984. A pretty fine effort all round, and Derek got to take home the perpetual cup. I’m not sure where he was in the first session, but he sure made up for it in the second.

We then got back on the bikes, wet weather gear packed away, and headed to Trulli’s in Meeniyan for some woodfired pizza.

Then the trip back home via Leongatha, Korumburra then through the hills to Kongwak, Glen Alvie, Kernot, The Gurdies – where the blackened trees from recent bushfires lined the road – and ending at Tooradin.

234km all up (excluding laps around the track). What a day! Thanks to everyone for coming along and throwing yourselves into the day’s activities. I think we can call it a success and start plotting, planning and perhaps training for next year. Thanks to Andy for doing a fine job as TEC.

Cheers, VAL

Val’s ride to the VIB Breakfast Club at Heathcote

14/12/202406/01/2025

The morning was sunny and the forecast was for a warm day. What a fabulous day for a ride! 5 headed off at 7.30am for Heathcote where the Victorian Breakfast Club had its monthly get-together.

We needed to get some substantial kilometres behind us so we could arrive in reasonable time at the Juniper Café in Heathcote, so rode up Eastlink, through Doncaster, Greensborough onto the Western Ring Road, taking the Hume Freeway exit – much to the confusion of the group since I’d told them we were definitely not taking the Hume Highway. Ooops!

Turning left onto the Northern Highway, we stopped briefly at Wallan, which was very busy with a Saturday morning market. Having done what we needed doing, we were back on the road, arriving at Heathcote a little late and with quite a hunger.

The café is quaint. LP covers were stuck to the ceiling – and there was something for everyone: Demis Roussos, Tom Jones, Nana Mouskouri to name a few. As the bulk of Ulysseans had already enjoyed their breakfast, ours arrived … eventually.

Great to see John, a Grampians Ulysses club member who rode with us on the Halls Gap weekend. Also bumped into Jim (Mij) and Cogs, friends of Trev from Geelong.

After breakfast, a petrol stop and then we headed south out of town, turning onto the Seymour-Tooborac Road, through Puckapunyal. Along the way, we saw an emu under a tree. Not long after that, a group of 3 in a paddock. It’s such a pleasure to see different places and experience things we often wouldn’t otherwise.

We crossed the Hume at Seymour, then headed south-east on the Goulburn Valley Highway to Yea, then taking the Melba Highway to the Toolangi turnoff. A spectacular section of road winding its way through the Toolangi State Forest to Chum Creek and eventually Healesville. By this stage, it was pretty warm and Bob suggested we find the nearest pub for a beer. Being unplanned, we got ourselves a little tangled up, having to do a U-turn back to the Healesville Hotel.

Thirsts quenched and on the road again through more familiar territory – Woori Yallock, Cockatoo, Berwick and stopping at Cranbourne West to say goodbyes.

All up, approx 410km. Thanks to Mark for doing his usual great job as TEC, and thanks to Bob, Shots and Glenn for a great day out.

Cheers, Val

Woody’s ride to Walhalla

01/12/202406/01/2025

It was a perfect morning for motorbiking, which was a relief after some poor forecasts earlier, and me leading for only the second time! I took the first chocolate from the Advent Calendar and headed out. We assembled at Pearcedale at the usual time, a group of 9. My pre-ride instruction was a bit shabby! Thanks, Glenn, for the prompts on the location of morning tea and fuel.

We turned off the Bass Coast Highway at Lang Lang and headed up to Drouin on a road I was not familiar with until I prepared the route. We stopped at Drouin Bakery. I did a lap of main street to make sure everyone got parked (roundabouts were used, not U-turns).

For me, this was my first visit to Drouin, but the Wanderers are clearly regulars. The owner was welcoming and loud, and was happy to see us.

The chosen route from Drouin to Walhalla did not include fuel, so some of us refuelled in Drouin, thereby avoiding a tour of the Moe suburbs. We headed up to Walhalla via Buln Buln and Willow Grove, avoiding the freeways and all those damned cars. Glorious roads in the early Spring sunshine; lots of long, sweeping bends until the last 11km – hairpins galore!

Smiles all round as we dismounted at the Wally Pub, weather still perfect. Ross commented it was the first time he had travelled that road in the dry. Lunch was good, if a little pricey, and the pub not at all crowded. We cruised up to the top of the village and back down, taking in the sights (it didn’t take long), then back to the hairpins.

Thankfully, the traffic was minimal on that stretch, but we did encounter a line of traffic at Rawson/Erica. I overtook a black Audi, and the other vehicles peeled off soon after. Delightedly, I hit the throttle. While enjoying the thrill of the open road, I noticed the Audi in close attendance. Not sure if the driver was hostile at this stage, and Birky, at number 2, was also concerned, joining the chase inorder to memorise the number plate. After a while, I let the Audi pass – but it was always within sight, disappointed perhaps at having nothing to chase.

We stopped for afternoon tea at Willow Grove, a new concept that was embraced by all present. Relaxed vibe, awful coffee though!

A fuel stop was made as requested by Glenn in Drouin. Weather still fine as I led the group down old Drouin Road from there under darkening skies. By the time we said our goodbyes in Tooradin, the rain was increasing, but no one complained about it. Jack commented that he had never been on any of those roads, which was good to hear.

All in all, a grand day out!

Thanks to Robin for being TEC for the day.

Cheers, Woody

Mark’s ride to the VIB Breakfast Club at Neerim South

09/11/202406/01/2025

Saturday, 9 November was a great day for a ride, a typical Melbourne spring day with a nice clear, crisp morning that blossomed into a beautiful sunny day, ideal for riding.

Nine Wanderers departed from Pearcedale at the earlier than usual time of 0800 hours to join a group of fellow Ulyssean members for the monthly Ulysses Victorian Breakfast Club (VBC) at Misty Hills Cafe in Neerim South. This was our second branch VBC ride following an unofficial pilot ride to Creswick in August and a September ride to Romsey that Muzz led. The October breakfast was in Wangaratta, but we did not attend.

Paul of the Echuca branch organises these rides with the usual format being a Friday night pub dinner for those doing an overnight trip. The breakfast is at 0930 on the Saturday morning, all nice and casual. The only requirement is you advise your attendance to assist with the businesses catering and staffing arrangements and, if required, organise your own accommodation. All activities are at your own expense.

So, with our arrangements in place and a bit of chill in the air, we tracked a well-worn route from Pearcedale via Tooradin, Bayles and then on through Longwarry and Jindivick for a quick regroup stop. Then through a nice little twisty run into Neerim South where we joined a group of 40+ Ulysseans (including Flyrr and Jackie) at Misty Hills Cafe for a hearty breakfast, some banter and BS with like-minded people. It was great to have Trevor on the Yellow Peril and Annie along for the ride.

Following breakfast, Trevor and Muzz headed home for other commitments while Woody headed on to do a reconnaissance ride for his next club ride as Ride Leader. I know it will be good. Check the calendar, 1 December for details.

While Flyrr and Jackie headed home to Warragul, the rest of us headed off through the hills via Nilma and Ranceby to another coffee stop at the Drouin Bakery before heading home via Lang Lang to Tooradin for goodbyes. While a relatively short ride, we still managed some nice roads, beautiful scenery and good company.

It was noted how responsible this ride was with not a drop of beer passing anyone’s lips. (Not sure how that happened, may be my last Ride Leader gig!)

There were also some assertion that an unplanned U-turn occurred. That may or may not be true. There were also some complaints about a patch of dirt road I came across. I know Nizz would be proud of me LOL.

All in all, I think it was another good day. Thanks to all who turned out to support the ride, the Breakfast Club with Paul organising the gathering. And a special thanks to Ross as TEC.

Enjoy the pics and look for more on the Ulysses VIB Facebook site. I recommend keeping an eye on the calendar for future Breakfast Club rides.

Stay happy and safe.

Mark S

Rosco’s Twin Spurs ride

03/11/202406/01/2025

A group of 10 bikes headed off at 9.30am to the small bakery in Cockatoo for ‘smoko’. Here, we met a mate of mine, Peter, who joined us for the ride. The next leg took us through the picturesque Dandenong Ranges to Healesville.

From there, we veered off for some nice twisties to Toolangi via Chum Creek before returning to the other side of Healesville via Myers Creek Road.

Another advantage of this route was we didn’t have to pass through the busy town!

Then up through the Black Spur which, of course, had some bloody cars in the way (probably just as well, keeping us to legal limits) before arriving at Marysville where we settled into the Duck Inn for a refresher and a feed.

As we were about to leave the car park, we helped a bloke load his broken-down bike onto his ute.

Was it a Harley, you ask?
Was it a Triumph, you ask?

No, it was a GS Beemer!

Time to tackle the second twin, the mighty Reefton Spur. Given the wind the night before, the road was relatively clear of debris and we all managed to navigate it safe ’n’ sound.

A quick stop in the busy Warburton to fill up and empty what was necessary before turning off at Launching Place for the terrific road into Gembrook.

We said goodbye to Pete here before heading to our final stop in Tooradin, where we decided the ice cream line was too long to participate.

The weather was great all day, no incidents, no one misbehaved (badly), so all good. Thanks to Mark for TEC.

Cheers, Ross

Val’s ride through the Gippsland hills

18/07/202418/07/2024

Well, the day’s conditions for a ride in the Gippsland hills were less than optimal with 1-3mm of rain forecast. The trip from home to Pearcedalewas one of the heaviest showers for the day. I arrived and huddled under a tree waiting for the gang to arrive.

An intrepid group of 5 riders trickled in, and we headed out at 9.30am and enjoyed a fabulous ride through some fairly spectacular countryside.

We covered familiar territory at the start, going down the South Gippsland Highway to The Gurdies turnoff. The planked bridge coming into Kernot was quite slippery but it didn’t claim any scalps.

The intrepid 5 bravely went forth

We wound up the hills to the peak at Ryanston, then down through Kongwak, dodging the market crowds. At the crest of the hill on the other side of Kongwak,an expansive scene revealed itself with some sun and patches where it was clearly raining in the distance. Sensational!

We had a welcome coffee at Kelly’s Bakery, then off again – to Leongatha, up the Wild Dog Valley Road to Leongatha North, to Mirboo North, and along
the continuation of the Grand Ridge Road towards Mirboo and Dumbalk East. This section of road is pure joy – varying from tight to sweeping corners, awesome countryside, and very little traffic.

From there, we rode right up into the hills to Mardan, then down a narrow local road towards Dumbalk. It was raining at this stage. Had the weather been better, we would have stopped to take pictures of the awesome view across the Dumbalkvalley. Not to be.

From there, the road winds uphill again, past Nerrena and into Leongatha, where we had lunch at McCartin’s Hotel.

Woody and Pete were very happy to sample the Guinness on tap. The meals were good, but Bob ended up with a calamari-only lunch – somehow, the order got lost in translation.

After lunch, a quick fuel stop for those with dainty tank capacities, then along the highway to Korumburra and across the Strzelecki hills to Warragul. All was going well until I had a call from Birky – Woody had come off his bike. There was a slippery patch on the road, perhaps diesel. My rear wheel span a little harder going over it, Happy’s bike did a bit of a whip as he rode through it; Bob’s bike also broke traction. But Woody’s bike whipped a little more seriously and he found himself high sided.

Fortunately, Birky was right behind him and able to signal to traffic, help Woody with the bike and assess the damage. Woody was not injured and the bike appeared to only sustain some cosmetic damage. After a pause, we again headed off into Warragul, Drouin and Lang Lang, then back to Tooradin to conclude the ride.

I wish I’d captured some of the sights but it’s that tension between being in the moment and having the pictures to show later. Being in the moment wins!

Thanks to all who came on the ride. What a day. 302km of wet weather riding practise! Thanks to Birky for ably performing TEC duties and for looking after Woody on the home run.

Cheers, Val

Glenn’s Cape Paterson Ride

30/06/202418/07/2024

Ride Leader Glenn, Tail End Charlie Birky

Weather – bloody freezing, grey, wet, B.O.M radar showing rain all over the south.

Only those afflicted with some mental health problem show up in this kinda weather, being the ‘Ice Bergers’ – Bob, Happy, Mark, Birky and myself. Obviously.

Met at the usual point – Pearcedale Shopping Village. Just the five feeble-minded souls on the day with cold and cloudy conditions and a high probability of snow and sleet. By the time we left the servo, the rain had stopped, but a little rain never hurt, did it, Birky? We all had the right gear, so a bit of cold weather was not a problem, eh.

First leg was leisurely. The general traffic was light, but wet conditions weren’t ideal. Out to Tooradin, then Koo Wee Rup, Bales, Catani, Yannathan, Nyora, Poowong, Ranceby and through the twisties to Korumburra. Morning tea at the bakery with the sun shining (sort of). Lots of moisture on the corner apexes so care was required.

It’s still bloody freezing

We left Korumburra, heading east for the leg towards Leongatha on the South Gippy Highway, Koonwarra, then down through the hills towards Tarwin, Inverloch, then Cape Paterson for lunch at the Tavern. The Cape Paterson-Inverloch Road was terrific. The intrepid Ice Bergers head down into the rain and, to our joy, it didn’t rain much through the twisties with the fabulous ocean coast view on our left and rolling green hills on the right.

We finished the morning’s leg of 160km by 12:30, arriving at the Tavern. After a good meal, a couple of beers and cokes and the compulsory banter and slagging, we headed off back to Tooradinvia Wonthaggi.

Off the Bass Highway to Glen Alvie – brilliant scenery – Kernot and to The Gurdies, then left onto the Gurdies-St Helier Road, which takes you through the farmland that is the Gurdies. Nice roads except for the damp.

As you might have guessed, it turned out to be an all BMW day.

We ended up doing roughly 280km on roads in this area of Gippsland. The ride ended around 3:00pm and was enjoyed by all those who didn’t come along. Just joking.
Stay upright
Glenn – ‘Bullet’

Woody’s ride to Buxton

26/05/202424/07/2024

5 go mad in the alpine ranges

It was a cold and foggy morning when I set out on my first ride as leader. So, it was a small but dedicated band that assembled in the usual meeting point.
That suited me because less people equals less pressure.

First to arrive was Birky, who had a verbal stoush with a guy in a 4-wheel drive while fuelling up. I was preparing to race across to break up the ‘heated debate’, fortunately, after insults were traded, it was all over before any punches were thrown.

The fog seemed to be getting thicker as we headed up the Westernport Highway and suddenly encountered two lanes of stationary traffic due to a two-car smash at the entrance to the dog showgrounds. One of the cars appeared to be a beach buggy, which seemed strange on such a morning.

After some nifty lane filtering, we made our way up through Clematis, Emerald and Cockatoo, as the sky cleared to a beautiful, chilly day. Morning coffee break was had at the bakery in Gembrook, where I won an award on my first ride.

We blasted our way up through Hoddles Creek and sauntered along the Warburton Highway to sample the delights of the Reefton Spur.

I got a bit excited at that stage and overshot the left turn to Reefton. Fortunately, I was far enough ahead to correct my mistake and turn around before the others arrived, but not quick enough to cover up for my error.

Thanks to the fab 4 who participated, I wonder if I will win an award for leading the smallest group of the year!

We had the road to ourselves all the way up to the Woods Point turn-off, and made the most of it.

We observed a white sports car that was abandoned after hitting a tree head on. On our way down the other side, we ran into some slow traffic but, at that point, I was content to sit back and take in the scenery, my appetite for twisties was all but satisfied … and so, on to Buxton to satisfy a different kind of hunger.

In the afternoon, the first course was, as you might expect, the Black Spur.

I was fortunate to have the slow cars pull off to the side and let me through, but my followers were not so lucky, After that, I had a lot of fun chasing the faster cars through the twisties.

This was followed by the main course; the road from Healesville to Launching Place that featured an interesting section of dirt road, which we negotiated unscathed. Then we returned to the Hoddles Creek-Gembook Road. We paused in Gembrook for me to answer the call of nature. Then on to Pakenham, where we split into two groups heading home into the sunset.

Thanks to Wayne for doing an excellent job as TEC.

Cheers, Woody

Mornington Wanderers

Birky’s ride to Port Campbell

Ride to Bendigo or ‘The tale of Two Ueys’

Holy CAPOW Batman can we do a 'U' Turn in the Bat Cave??